IGNORANT MISANDRY: Lions, Bees, and Seahorses… Oh My!
whenever a men’s rights activist claims that the females of other species in nature are naturally “submissive,” i want to point out that lionesses are responsible for the hunting while their dudes just lay around looking pretty and male bees and ants basically live to fuck the queen and then die and seahorse dudes carry the baby
and furthermore none of these animals have a developed society in which gender equality is possible do you just not want to evolve as a species you asshole?
3 out of ever 10 males lions live to sexual maturity.
Out of those only one is King, and gets to reproduce at all.
The Beta Male gets to stay with the pack and drive off rival males, but never gets to reproduce himself. These are very rare.
The third male is driven from his pride as he reaches sexual maturity. In human terms it’s like telling your 12 old son to get out, or the whole family will kill him. He hunts alone until he dies, or if he’s lucky… he forms a 2 or 3 group to hunt with 2 or 3 other males that have been driven off.
If he lives… his future if to become hard and mean enough to fight of an older male and kill him, or drive him off and take his pride, or die alone.
Of course… women never want equality to THAT male. Even as lions the females ALWAYS have it better.
Male Bees’ or Drones will die off or are ejected from the hive by the worker bees in late autumn, and do not reappear in the bee hive until late spring.
The Queen will mate with hundreds of males and lays fertilized eggs from different fathers.
Of course… women never want equality to THAT male. Even as bees the females ALWAYS have it better.
In seahorses and simular species the gender roles are reversed with the female being forced to prove HER validity for reproduction to him.
Of course… women never want equality to THAT male. Because as Seahorses they DO NOT have it better.
That is the basic truth of the life. The gender that carries the young are protected cared for. The gender that does not is disposable.
Females are not submissive in other species. No MRA claims this. Nature gives us example after example that misandry is biological.
It’s you misandrist “Feminists” who refuse to evolve. Women have achieved a level of superiority over the average man. We have finally reached a stage of civilization where the elite domination of class is being challenged by the lowest class. Non-Elite men.
But rather than join us in raising us to equality, you are siding with the wealthy elite royal male against us, just like you always did.
It’s not Feminism to blame, it’s rape culture
It is not feminism that ignores or keeps boys from reporting sexual assault, it’s patriarchy and rape culture.
I LOVE how we’re kicking it off with victim blaming.
It’s rape culture that says boys can’t be raped, not feminism.
Oh… where does “Rape Culture” say that? Cause for the life of me I can’t find anyone, anywhere, outside of misandrist feminism who seems to think rape is OK. In fact… “Rape Culture” is another one of those mythical boogeyman invented by misandrists so they could validate their war men.
Even Ariel Castro doesn’t try to validate what he did with this mythical lie about “Rape Culture”. He KNOWS it was wrong and did it anyway. He manage to keep it secret for a decade BECAUSE he knew it was wrong.
There is NO CULTURE in the first world that says Rape is OK.
It’s patriarchy that pits strong & dominant male v. weak and vulnerable female. And feminism doesn’t ignore these things, because with every message we send our daughters about femininity, we also send it to our sons.
And that message is if you are a girl you get special protection, you get decorative clothes, you get idolized. If you are boy you get utility and nothing more. You get marginalized. You are NEVER allowed to forget that your needs are of the least importance.
Hypersexualisation of females? Teaches our sons that women are sex objects or family members, not whole human beings.
And that THAT is an inherent value just for being BORN a woman. While males must EARN their value by crusade, or they have none?
School dress codes about modesty for girls only?
Is a complete LIE!!!! The fact is dress codes apply to everyone, but since girls are not expected to engage in lifelong combat they have already learned by school age that they have the privilege to test the boundaries of convention. Girls are entitled to take the risk of bearing more skin because they are DRIPPING in the privilege of a protected life at the expense of their male servants ALREADY. A male never pushes those limits because by that point he has already learned that more clothes equals more protection from the inevitable scrapes and tears of the harsh life he is going to live in.
Teaches our sons that they are not responsible for their sexual behaviour. Saying things like, “boys will be boys” to excuse bad behaviour? Teaches our sons that they have a sense of entitlement over other people. A common-thread in rape culture and abusers. Rape Culture is a paradigm.
No rape culture is a convenient fiction to criminalize normal male sexuality so girls trade their innate, born in, sexual value, they can command the highest price for it.
Boys issues themselves are a product of patriarchy, not backlash from feminism. Circumcision is rape culture. Accepting violence and bad behaviour from boys, while punishing with violence more severely, is patriarchy and rape culture. Boys are perceived as inherently more aggressive, and are medicated and pathologised at much higher rates. Boys of colour are seen as such a threat, walking home in a hoodie or playing loud music at the petrol station can get you shot and killed. Boys are sent similar messages from media about strength, stoicism, and assertive/aggression as measures of masculinity, which is why homophobia is really just more misogyny, since fear of male femininity threatens this paradigm of masculinity.
And how exactly does this benefit men? That’s what Patriarchy is supposed to be, RIGHT! This vast cultural conspiracy that benefits men at the expense of women right?
Feminism doesn’t ignore this either, in fact, it attempts to correct it.
NO!!!! NOT AT ALL!!!!! Misandrist Feminism just seek to tailor it so Women can live a higher standard of life at the expense of men. YOUR MAN HATING LIES only help to enslave the average male MORE so you can offer you sexuality to the wealth pampered alpha.
If we want to tackle rape culture, we teach all our children about consent and autonomy. We can simultaneously teach them not to be rapists and how to say no by teaching them autonomy and consent. Feminism is about gender equality, and eradicating rape culture and dismantling patriarchy. This happens within the context of intersectionality. Including the male experience and how we socialise our male children.
Really… So why haven’t you done that for at least the last 500 years of western civilization?
Reality check….MALES have been out HUNTING, CONQUERING, AND KILLING each other for the vast majority of human history When we get to come “home” we have been broken and exhausted.
So who taught the children hat THIS was the way to live? Who propagated these cultural horrors.
THE MOTHERS. THE MATRIARCHS!!!! YOU WOMEN, have taught your daughters they are pretty little things that don’t have to do anything but spread their legs for the “right” type guy, while SO DEGRADING your sons that they only way they can imagine to get YOUR approval is to kill and die in your service.
WOMEN are the keepers of culture, Even today almost 80% of all teachers are women.
Like the old drug commercial… WE LEARNED IT FROM YOU!!!!
We are our MOTHERS SONS and DAUGHTERS.
So go look in that mirror and BEHOLD your patriarch! Your rape apologizer YOURSELF AS THE MISANDRIST CAUSE OF ALL EVIL!!!!!! and stop trying to bully the men you’ve sacrificed into to your cause into fixing the problem YOU created.
it’s so hard to dismantle the patriarchy when people don’t even believe that it’s real.
Maybe if you would stop blaming it on “ALL THE MENZ”, you could get some traction.
The fact is “The Patriarchy” benefits all women, more than MOST of the men.. who are BRUTALIZED by it. It’s the 1% wealthy elite in power who actually do ALL the shit you blame the rest of us for… WHILE YOU DATE THEM!!!!
“The Patriarchy” is nothing but misandry’s way of trying to force men at the bottom of the privilege ladder to get women a rung closer to the bastards at the top.
I once had a guy (a police dispatcher) tell me that he wasn’t going to send any help for me because I didn’t know the guy who had stalked me by car (and nearly ran me over) before chasing me on foot to the laundromat I ran to for help. I had to call my grandmother who had to have some neighbors come and escort me away.
(submitted by lifekillsrebels)
- First of all… BULLSHIT!
I want a date, time, State, City, and County. Also… was it a 911 call, or did you call the precinct.
As we are about to learn in in Cleveland Castro case… ALL 911 calls are logged. The claims that people called 911 in the past are going to lead to a HUGE investigation to reveal weather of not the PD dropped the ball, because if they did… those women’s lawyers will do to Cleveland PD in civil damaged what Castro did to them in his house.
What probably happened is that you called 911 to report a guy hitting on you, and they said they would “send some one as soon as they were available”. Since you were in a public place that presumably has high traffic and witnesses, you were SAFE as long as you stayed there, and therefor a low priority.
You called your gammy to get her all upset and because you didn’t have cab fair to get back home and didn’t want to wait for the cops.
The PD isn’t a private taxi service for emotionally disturbed girls who want attention they can control instead of the attention they can get. - Second. You’re complaint is that you got treated like a man instead of a special little snowflake. Because when that happens to a man… HE GET’S LAUGHED AT BY THE COPS. Or worse… HE gets arrested. That’s if he is naive enough to even call the cops in the first place.
A man is expected to fight off anyone who messes with him or run like Forrest Gump. If he doesn’t, or can’t, his life is worth more in pity value for the real victims of his brutal death. The women he laves behind. Because if there is no women left crying… a girlfriend, a wife, a mother, a sister, or children, his life was worthless any one and NOBODY cares.
If I were to complain about the times I was hunted down had to fight for my life, you would give me one of your “Cry me more male tearz! LOLZ!”
That wasn’t misogyny, or Patriarchy… that was EQUALITY.
How you liken’ that “male privilege”.
Patriarchy: I searched 4 pages deep on Google and couldn’t find a single list of benefits Patriarchy offers to ALL men.
Patriarchy: I searched 4 pages deep on Google and couldn’t find a single list of benefits Patriarchy offers to ALL men.
We KNOW that this Patriarchy thing is great for the less than 1% of men who rule the world. And we know that women are safer, and have less responsibilities than any man.
So how ‘bout it…
Exactly WHAT are MY so called male privileges. Not Donald Trump’s, Justine Timberlake’s, or John Boehner’s.
Me. The average run of the mill guy.
C’mon Misandrists! Give me verifiable examples of I have it better than you because I’m a man.
I DARE YOU!!!!
In a way, yes, but what about those who actually didn’t rape anyone? The men (and women, even though this is alot more common amongst men) who get blamed and instantly secluded from society because they supposedly raped someone, when they actually are victims of the exact thing they are being accused of?
Let’s let the legal system decide and punish in the future, shall we?Get the FUCK off my post you rape apologist asshole.
Reading comprehension, WHAT IS THAT? This says “Rapists deserve to have their lives ruined.” People who are didn’t rape anyone aren’t rapists. You’re an enormous douchecanoe who couldn’t be bothered to READ the post before spouting your male entitlement all over it.
Research shows that just .6% of rape allegations are false - which means that 99.4% of rape allegations are TRUE. And 97% of rapists will never see a day in jail, because the LEGAL SYSTEM IS FAILING THE VICTIMS.
It’s people like you who allow rape culture to thrive. I literally cannot express in words how disgusting you are.
Why is it that false accusation is always the first response? Are they choosing another kind of victim that they can relate to instead? Do not understand.
in the first poster’s defense: false accusation is probably one of the worst things ever. second poster overreacted with the response I think.
I think it has less to do with his/her opinion or the content of the response, and more to do with the fact that it wasn’t exactly relevant. Really, all it does is take away from the intended message, since nowhere does it mention those who have been falsely-accused. This type of reaction to anything involving punishment for rapists is quite common.
If you replaced “Rapists” with “Murderers” in this instance (as much as I hate comparing those two things), I highly doubt you’d see someone make a point to say, “yeah, but some people who were falsely accused of murder…” And let’s be honest, someone falsely accused of murder is looking at a lot more trouble here.
It’s come to a point where every time I see the term “false-accusation”, I get a headache.
THANK YOUUUUU.
Also, “false accusation is probably one of the worst things ever”? Worse than, oh I don’t know, rape?
The statistics SeriouslyAmerica are using are bullshit.
In case you haven’t noticed, people have a tendency to misunderstand the difference between people (rightly or wrongly) accused of rape and actual rapists.
Typical Misandrist response VS from seriouslyamerica.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
In reality it is recognized as closer to 5.9% depending on the study. NOT anywhere NEAR .6%. Of course We’ll never know the real number because DNA testing to confirm anything is too expensive.
When it CAN and IS used…
According to a 1996 Department of Justice report, “in about 25% of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI, … the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing.6 It should be noted that rape involves a forcible and non-consensual act, and a DNA match alone does not prove that rape occurred. So the 25% figure substantially underestimates the true extent of false allegations.
Of course the last group who will EVER want to get the truth is Misandrits. Not only would they loose their talking point, but they would also loose their favor weapon.
Go Fuck YOURSELF you False Rape Apologist.
this has been a PSA
Jesus fucking christ
This is exactly the kind of shit I was talking about. I had a rant some weeks ago about people ‘hiding’ comments in their tags, and the response was mainly two things: Either people did it just because they preferred it that way for whatever reason (which in the end is really their business), or this, which is something that until I made that post I had no idea about. I didn’t know this shit was a thing. I had no idea people actually posted shit like this, because it just seems so fucking unreal.
This is bullshit, and the person who posted this is bullshit by extension.
This is some fucked up elitist mentality that only some thoughts are “worthy” of being made. That if your response doesn’t live up to their standards then why the fuck are you posting it? Keep your mouth shut because what you have to say isn’t worth hearing! This of course is further ingrained by the use of excessive caps and emoticons in the original post suggesting that anyone who makes a response like that is a child or an idiot, because there’s no faster or lazier way to discredit the other side than to imitate them with fevered, emoticon-littered writing.Well I say fuck that. I produce my own content (and I don’t mean compiling TV gifsets) and I want to see everything everyone has to say. Even if it’s just AAAA THIS SCARED ME or WOWOWOW THIS IS SUPER CUUUUTE WOW, seeing that kind of response means a lot to me. It means I evoked that kind of response. That’s very flattering! And for people to want to censor others because they think their thoughts aren’t important or worthwhile enough to be read, frankly, that’s disgusting. No one should be pressured into feeling like they have to shut up especially on a subject and medium like motherfucking Tumblr. It’s like telling someone “GET OFF MY POST”.
And I mean let’s think practically about this, too: It’s not like every time someone reblogs your post AND ADDS TEXT a man comes to your door and sits you down and reads it out loud off a telegram. What happens is that the little list that shows “so and so reblogged your post” has one additional line of text on it saying “AND ADDED: [COMMENT YOU DON’T THINK WAS WORTH YOUR TIME]”. I would say it takes one extra second to scroll past but the amount of time spent scrolling that additional line is so insignificant I couldn’t even measure it. Most people who address this spend way more time complaining about it than they ever would spend being inconvenienced by having to read what people thought of their post (god forbid)
So in summation this whole toxic, bullshit mentality of “Hey plebeians who have the privilege of looking at my stuff! Here’s how you are and are not allowed to respond to it!” is awful and so arrogant I almost didn’t believe it was real
If you want to sort of stash your thoughts away in tags, I can’t force you not to by any means
But you should never feel like you have to hide your thoughts because they’re not ‘good enough’.
Especially not here.Thank you, Weaver.
A Hearty Agree with tgweaver
what really ticked me about this is the “no comments in other languages” bullet
like, i have no problem is someone makes a comment on a post i made in another language, they liked it enough to add some commentary and thats awesome
letting only people who speak english leave comments on posts in english is pretty dang darn stupid
To the person who made this post:
Vous etes un imbecile, n’est pas? Je vais commenter en votre post en francais, et vous ne pourrez pas moi.
In seconding weavers post, I love seeing all the different titles, and I like the praise and criticisms! I hate having to go through and check tags for shit.
- Your blog is not your private journal…unless you KEEP it private.
- When you blog something… you make it PUBLIC. Like you printed in a Newspaper.
- Signal Boosting or “Social Distribution” of Published information is how this system works. If we don’t do it, then there is NO POINT to blogging. You might as well just write a Journal in a Google Doc. Additionally, a Signal boost can be used to bring attention to positive or NEGATIVE things. I don’t HAVE to have anything to add. Bringing the information to my followers for their scrutiny is in itself a “comment”.
Go read some Marshall McLuhan and learn WTF you are actually doing here.- If you want to be narcissistic fuck and PUBLISH things about YOU, don’t be a hypocrite when I PUBLISH a comment or review ABOUT YOU. YOU just made yourself public figure, AND by act of publication, NEWSWORTHY in your own judgment. You no longer have “boundaries”. You threw them away to make yourself heard PUBLICLY. For the sake of the law, PUBLISHING makes you TUMBLR FAMOUS even if you have ZERO followers, unless you have a private blog that you’ve restricted access to.
- You have NO right to censor my opinion, or how I choose to express it. I am taking the exact same risks as you did when I published my comment, and you have every right to rebut my opinion on YOUR public blog. You have no right to censor what I say in anyway. If censorship is so cool… censor yourself first.
- TAGS are not for COMMENTS. They are to search for subjects. If you tag something I search for, it’s like you published it in the section of the newspaper I read.
In summary…
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ XD
My address to the NY Libertarian Party - girlwriteswhat
(Probably going to be semi-verbatim again because it’s so concise)
Feminism merely amplified pre-existing attitudes and preferences towards women. Switching the genders in quotes from as early as the 1600s illustrates this. Using the bias to get what want while still claiming to be oppressed by them. Early feminists rewrote marxist theory to suit their own ends, the resulting backlash was met with intimidation and censorship.
While previously the genders were seen as complimentary partners or “role mates”, feminism turned it into a one sided system of oppression of women. Society was receptive due to being more sympathetic to women’s needs and the view that they are inherently kind, delicate and moral while men were strong, independent and threatening. It was easy for them to believe men had it great when they only looked up.
Marriage was redefined from mutually beneficial to a form of sexual slavery. Family to exploitation. Women to powerless slaves raising “his” children. Looking past the corpses of millions of soldiers to the high ranking generals. The average difference in earnings (due to choices no less) is still a pressing issue for them while the 94% workplace death gap is inconsequential. Necessary protection and provision was turned into “keeping women down” all through history for the benefit of men. Domestic violence was always gender symmetrical became “violence against women”. A husbands “right to conjugal relations” became marital rape while the wife’s identical right, which could punish the husband if he refused her was erased and is now, thanks to feminist activism, even defined as a form of domestic abuse.
According to radical feminism, technological advancement made no difference to the lives of women, men’s obligation to provide and protect at the cost of his life is a privilege specifically to “disempower” women and your male ancestors were all rapists and slave owners oppressing and exploiting their own wives, mothers, sisters and daughters. While every single human atrocity is caused my masculinity while advancements in technology and medicine were only made by men because they did not allow women to. They compare the role of women throughout history as identical to slavery. That’s why we had female monarchs since ancient times, obviously. A man could avoid conscription if his wife would have been inconvenienced by it.
While education and government policies marginalise men, more and more obligations are placed on them; pay for children you didn’t consent to have and are never allowed to see, failure to do so will result in jail time. And your taxes go to support things like the Duluth model, which says that domestic violence is committed by men against women and is not caused by psychological problems but is a “natural function of male identity within a patriarchal culture”. This model is used worldwide yet has been debunked by hundreds of studies, which show that around half is reciprocal and that women are more likely to initiate it. In severe unilateral abuse, women are the perpetrators 70% of the time. In fact, women are more likely to be seriously injured when the men hit back. “Patriarchal terrorism” is the rarest form of all.
At least 35% of spousal murders are committed by women against men, this does not include when the wife gets someone else to do it because that is classed as “multiple perpetrator homicide”. Women are the most likely demographic to commit child abuse and neglect, the majority of young children murdered were so by their mothers. Fathers are the least likely to kill or abuse their own children. The safest environment for women and children is in a stable family, yet family law encourages the break up of the family, favouring sole custody for mothers and protecting children from those least likely to abuse them, mandatory arrest/predominant aggressor policies meaning that men will invariably be arrested in any domestic violence incident even if it’s obvious that he was not the aggressor. A Florida judge estimated that 80% of temporary restraining orders granted during divorce/child custody proceedings, were fraudulent or unfounded. A tactic guaranteed to get them sole custody. All she has to say is that she feels afraid of him and based on that alone, the police can remove him from his home. There are many advantages and next to no disadvantages to this abuse of the system so is it any wonder. Not only that but court officials will insistently encourage women to make false claims.
In custody cases in the US, 85% is sole maternal custody while the 15% is either paternal or shared. The average cost to a man in these cases is $200,000 and can take up to 6 years for him to even get access to his children. He may be required to pay his ex’s legal fees on top of his own, any expenses, court ordered services and pay alimony and/or child support to his ex throughout and maybe even the fees for third party visitation. In the year following a family break-up, men are 11 times more likely to commit suicide than women. NOW’s official stance is to oppose any and all attempts to reform.
Researchers who have feminisms theories and the Duluth model have been subject to blacklisting, career sabotage, intimidation, shunning and death threats. Researcher Suzanne Steinmetz had a bomb threat at her daughters wedding. Then of course Erin Pizzey, founder of the first battered women’s shelter in the world pointed out that it was a gender neutral problem and spent years under police protection for her whole family because of threats from radical feminists and finally fled when they killed her dog. An odd way to protest being called violent.
Behind all of these gender based, discriminatory policies you will find radical feminists behind it, lobbying for more reforms to correct non-existent oppression and becoming more dependant on the government than they ever were on any man.
(via johnnyfastcars)
special-snowflake-hall-of-fame:
PATRIAAAAAARCCCHYYYY!!!!!1!!!
UGH! LITERALLY KEEPING THE STRONG FEMALE FIREFLIES DOWN. THIS IS CISSEXIST MALE PRIVILEGE!
So let me get this straight… women don’t even have to do any work in the Insect kingdom.
This means EVERY firefly you’ve ever captured in a jar or can and left there until it died… was MALE!!!
(via socialjusticefails)
The hilarity of this is that this mythical “Patriarchy” jeopardizes the life of 99% of men in the U.S., while offering every women the protection that has them at 1/3 the Violent Crime homicide rate, and Job mortality rate of MEN!
I love being accused of having a privilege that is actively killing me by some one it protects.
(via siryouarebeingmocked)
Let Me Get This Straight: MRAs and Male Rape
Tumblr Feminist: I never see MRAs talking about Male Rape unless they’re trying to attack feminists?
Alex: Such as?
Tumblrfem: [silence]
Alex: ‘Cause I spent five minutes Googling, and I found about five million examples of MRAs discussing male rape on their own.
Tumblrfem: [silence]
Alex: When was the last time you discussed Male Rape when you weren’t trying to attack MRAs?Anyone who marginalises male rape victims or male rape in general are not feminists. This is because feminism, the fight against the patriarchy, is as much about breaking the fallacy that men are invulnerable; that they have to be hyper-masculin; that they can never be a victim; as it is about fighting for the rights of female victims.
I have met many tumblr feminists who appreciate this, and if you have run into some that do not then they are not feminists. They probably are on a journey towards feminism, but are making mistakes and saying ignorant things on the way. This isn’t acceptable, and although they need to be educated - that isn’t your problem - it is your problem however if you tar an entire movement with the same brush.
Feminism means complete equality and representation, and if you ever run into a discussion that doesn’t reflect that, you are no longer discussing feminism.
Don’t tell me. Tell the millions of people who have spent decades doing precisely that and claiming they’re feminists.
http://bluetrafficlight.tumblr.com/post/42747542045/sktagg23-let-it-be-known-that-february-8th-2013
http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/44721096146/aisilat-stfuconservatives-gatothenovice
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Only-men-can-be-booked-for-rape/Article1-1021702.aspx
And that’s just a sampler. I can easily find more. In fact, I can easily find more on your journal, under the feminism tag.
http://mugglepolitics.tumblr.com/post/49864064096/rape-culture-is-reala-and-yes-wea-ve-had-enough
http://www.wavaw.ca/rape-culture-is-real-and-yes-weve-had-enough/“Women against violence against women”. Well, that’s promising. That article repeatedly genders rape as something men do to women. It mentions “rape culture in the criminal justice system” without mentioning prison rape. I note the complete absence of any mention of female rapists or male rape in the article. Also, you used the Tone Argument to avoid Mr-Cap’s typically vitriolic post. He also made a much more reasonable one, and I’d be interested in seeing your response.
Say, do you have a problem with rape, sexual harassment, and domestic abuse being called “Violence Against Women” by most feminists?
http://mugglepolitics.tumblr.com/post/49863884864/shakesville-discussion-thread-rape-culture-in
http://www.shakesville.com/2013/02/discussion-thread-rape-culture-in-rom.htmlWell, that’s strange. Once again, a gendered discussion about rape and rape culture, which McEwan herself explicitly uses a gendered definition for.
http://mugglepolitics.tumblr.com/post/50003550388/is-my-skirt-too-short-or-too-long-voices-for-africa
http://voicesofafrica.co.za/is-my-skirt-too-short-or-too-long/Again, you had no problem with the gendered nature of that article either. Here, let me learn you about male rape paradigms in Africa.
Feminism has never been about equality for all. It’s always prioritized women, and has, in general, actively silenced male voices unless they agreed with the party line. If I went by your criteria, I’d literally have to exclude most of what’s supposedly feminism and people who are supposedly feminists. Including Hilary Clinton, who said that women are the real victims of war because they’re inconvenienced when their male loved ones are killed. Oh, and Barack Obama, who has been known to ignore female abusers and male victims, and say boys falling behind in school is a great accomplishment. In Newsweek. Feminists were kicked up a bigger fuss over him complementing a woman. After complementing her competence.
I’ve seen attempts to fit male victimization into mainstream feminist rhetoric, and they always, always fail. For example, you never actually said you were fighting for the rights of male victims. Female victims are worth fighting for directly, but male victims just get feminists fighting the alleged root cause, the multi-headed hydra known as the Patriarchy. If the Patriarchy oppresses men and women, it is quite possible to “fight the Patriarchy” without actively fighting for men. Especially if one believes, as I’ve seen many feminists claim, that all alleged men’s issues are just “side effects” of women’s issues or “side effects” of the patriarchy. Mainstream feminism’s rhetoric and mores are simply completely inadequate for even addressing men’s issues, much less dealing with them. In fact, there are cute little phrases like “mansplaining” and “trying to make it all about the menz” specifically to silence any main who dares raise a querulous voice in “feminist spaces”. One time, I saw a feminist say that it would be “derailing” for MRAs to respond to a letter ostensibly written to them.
I note that you were in such a hurry to cry No True Feminist, you never actually said marginalizing male victims is wrong. Interesting priorities you have. The closest you come is saying “making mistakes and saying ignorant things on the way” towards what you call “real” feminism “isn’t acceptable”. I would also like to contest your assertion that it’s not my job to educate them. I feel it is the “job” of anyone who chooses to to correct what they think is ignorance. Including mine. You’re not doing a very good job of it.
But, okay, let’s follow the logic. I note that you don’t actually say who is supposed to correct these larval feminists, and didn’t say you would do it. I can only assume there is some sort of Feminist Internal Affairs Dept. I was previously unaware of. I believe there are several decades worth of complaints several thousand people would like to file, including a few other feminists. Say, if these femgrubs aren’t “real” feminists, why is it the job of feminists to educate them? Why are they protected under “real” feminism’s aegis? And what happens if they go their entire lives and never mature into a “real” feminist? At what point do their training wheels - and everyone else’s gloves - come off?
But if you want to take up the cross, I’d like to see you or any “real” feminist try and “educate” Manboobz, the popular feminist website dedicated to mocking MRAs and men’s rights issues. Fair warning, you’ll probably be made phsyically ill by some of the things they say, even before you start disagreeing with them. Or, heck, just go over to Jezebel with a gender-neutral username, and see how long it is before you get yelled at for being an MRA.
I will cheerfully admit that some feminists do actually give two craps about the issues of more than women. I will say they are “real feminists”. I will also say that they are not mainstream feminists, and not representative of the dominant mores of feminism. I consider those other feminists, the ones you say are false feminists, to also be “real” feminists. Thing is, I don’t respect those feminists. I respect the ones that prioritize actually solving and addressing men’s problems in addition to women’s, not defending feminism.
Of course, you can prove me wrong, quite easily; name a single mainstream feminist initiative that has ever prioritized men over women. That has primarily sought to end some sort of systemic disadvantage men have, or some sort of privilege women have.
Good luck!
(Incidentally, my OP was about the hypocrisy many tumblrfems display; accusing MRAs - incorrectly - of only talking about male rape when they are trying to “derail” discussions about “female victims”, and saying or implying it means they don’t really care (which doesn’t even make sense), yet they themselves only or primarily discuss male rape and other male issues in the context of “rebutting” MRAs.)
OOppps…. Misandrist got SCHOOLED by her own damn Blog.
Not all feminism is like this. This is well-intentioned ignorance. The notion that women should be equal to men in society is feminism, and that cannot be criticized. The problem here is not feminism. This stems from a deeper issue related to ignorance and a flawed investigation of reality. Education, learning, and scientific inquiry are what will eliminate such ignorance and preemptive conclusions. Only through those things will we, as a society, be able to see through misinformation like this.
I am quite surprised that you, a remarkably intelligent person, would fail to see that contemporary feminism is only egalitarian in name. No, that goal itself cannot be criticized. However, said goal is only used as a public face. Actions speak louder than words, and feminism has time and time again proven to aim more for special rights and privileges than equality. And while not all feminists are like that, the influential ones pretty much invariably are, and the egalitarian minority is powerless to change its course. As such, the “good feminists” are a lot like the common citizens of the Third Reich who legitimately believed that national socialism would usher in a golden age; they may have been well-intentioned, but they were manipulated into supporting an insidious agenda. (Inb4 Godwin’s Law, it’s an accurate comparison, so fuck that.)
You wanna know how equality will happen? If people are scientifically literate enough to scientifically investigate society to see if men and women are equal, and also avoid misinformation spread by news outlets. Why, how, and if women are discriminated against can all be determined through proper science and careful investigation. The fact that we even have differing opinions shows the lack of solid investigation into these kinds of issues. If society was using science correctly and the public was aware of such science, then whether or not women are discriminated against wouldn’t even be an issue. I’m not going to sit here and try to argue that the notion of feminism and the central idea behind feminism is sound, because I’m clearly not going to change your mind. However, I think we can agree that regardless of our opinions, we should be heading in the same direction. Through science, we can find out which of us is right, rather than sitting here debating about it while we still don’t know all of the information.
I completely agree. The problem is that feminism is decidedly unscientific, encouraging emotional reasoning and various other fallacies instead of logical thinking, to the point that anyone attempting to point out a flaw in a feminist argument will immediately be branded as a misogynist. It’s a movement built on misinformation and fallacious arguments, so you cannot reasonably expect it to suddenly start relying on facts and sound reason.
I don’t know, I think that any such “scientific” examination still requires a ton of subjective interpretation, so I’m not holding my breath.
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If women were ONLY asking men for “basic social skills” then these skills would be the same ones we expect of single women, or the same skills it takes to make friends, but this is not the case. We do not expect women to ask men out, make the moves (etc). So this whole “basic social skills” [cowpoop] is misandric and sexist of you even regurgitate. Saying you only need basic social skills to get women is a feminist tactic implying there’s something wrong with the man, as a way of hiding the sexist nature of the dating script.
Again, there are plenty of dateless men with active social lives. The THING that determines whether a man has dates is whether he asks for them. PERIOD. The thing that determines whether a man has sex is if he physically escalates PERIOD. None of this stupid [butt] [cuddling] social skills [doody]. Have all the social skills in the world you want, if you don’t ask women out, you won’t get dates.
—-AlekNovy.
In other words, it’s a way of downplaying women’s power over men. Ironically, gynocentric feminists do that by trying to shame men for not being able to get dates from women by implying there’s something wrong with them.
Just like the patriarchy, in fact.
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That is because women ARE the “Patriarchy” in the western world.
Given any measure of privilege, women have more, than 99% of the men. The 1% that have seemingly unlimited privilege wage class war against the rest of us and all women benefit from this, making them accessories to Patriarchy.
At this point, the vocal wing of “feminism” that endorses Misandry while denying it’s existence, is not fighting Patriarchy at all, but just trying to gain MORE unfair profit from it.
The body has ways of shutting it down, right guise?
OMFG. Third rape apologist today. Wtf. - S
Huh? How the fuck does this make any sense at all?
There is NO SUCH THING as LEGITIMATE RAPE!!!!
CisHetWhite Males have NO FUCKING PRIVILEGE in this country as a group. WE AREN’T EVEN ALLOWED TO FORM GROUPS unless it’s the Ku Kux Klan or some kind of Nazi organization. Then for some twisted reason it’s tolerated. But if you try to form a group of cishetwhite males in any combination of of those attributes, your speech and right to assembly is NOT protected. Any other group is allowed.
1% of “us” have seemingly unlimited privilege, but the rest of us are at the complete bottom of the “privilege” pile. Below all women and any formulation of TransGayPOC.
This person is either a troll or suffering from some form of Schizotypal personality disorder.
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Yes, I AM A MISOGYNIST!
And I’ll be one until women, as a whole, get their shit together and stop oppressing men.
To Women: Even if you aren’t a Misandrist, you benefit from the Misandry of others. If you aren’t actively fighting against Misandry, you’re an accomplice.
Yes, I AM A MISANDRIST!
And I’ll be one until men, as a whole, get their shit together and stop oppressing women.
To Men: Even if you aren’t a Misogynist, you benefit from the Misogyny of others. If you aren’t actively fighting against Misogyny, you’re an accomplice.
I’m not actually a misogynist. I’m an egalitarian who believes in equality for all. But as long as misandrists think they can get away with claiming the abuse they are the majority beneficiaries from, as a “privilege” of all men, I will point out their lies and hypocrisy.
Here is some more hate speech with the Misandry replaced with other forms of hate.
Yes, I AM ANTISEMITIC!
And I’ll be one until Jews, as a whole, get their shit together and stop oppressing the world.
To Jews : Even if you aren’t a wealthy, you benefit from the Jewish Culture of others. If you aren’t actively fighting against Jewish world domination, you’re an accomplice.
Yes, I AM A RACIST!
And I’ll be one until POC, as a whole, get their shit together and stop oppressing whites.
To Blacks: Even if you aren’t a Racist, you benefit from the Racism of others. If you aren’t actively fighting against Racism, you’re an accomplice.
Yes, I AM A RACIST!
And I’ll be one until whites, as a whole, get their shit together and stop oppressing POC.
To Whites: Even if you aren’t a Racist, you benefit from the Racism of others. If you aren’t actively fighting against Racism, you’re an accomplice.
Yes, I AM HOMOPHOBIC!
And I’ll be one until Gays, as a whole, get their shit together and stop oppressing Straights.
To Straights: Even if you aren’t Homophobic, you benefit from the Homophobia of others. If you aren’t actively fighting against Homophobia, you’re an accomplice.
You can justify any form of hate just by claiming you are a victim and you have some RIGHT to hate the other group.
YOU NEVER DO! Even if you ARE oppressed.
And no women in the United States is as oppressed as the average American MAN!
Until male fatalities from violent crime and work related deaths aren’t 3x higher than women’s, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT!
